PSGR Followup
Becky: Sarai and I recieved more than just a little negative criticism from the previous post about Pet Shop Girls Reviews. Quite frankly we were surprised at some of the comments aimed towards us from what we had considered to be intelligent people, weren’t we Sarai.
Sarai: Well, I mean, I expected backlash. I just didn’t think certain people would take it to heart as much as they did. Shame, really.
Becky: Nellie was shockingly incoherent about the whole thing (really now, shame on you for treating Dicle and Sean like that when they did nothing) and blew everything way out of proportion. Rhiannon’s only real response was that “everyone else said it was nice so nyah”.
Sarai: Well, that’s what I don’t understand. We’re just two people, giving our opinion. She sounded so defensive, as if we were attacking her, so she resorted to: “Well other people (real designers) said it was okay, so whatever.”
Becky: Right, which I think she’s perfectly entitled to do by the way, I just expected a more mature response to the whole thing given the fact that she writes a lot of shit about other people.
Sarai: Yeah that last part really gets me. A bit hypocritical, if I do say so myself. Are certain people excluded? Because if they are, I’d like to know about it.
Becky: I guess certain people are excluded because they’re in this community, because once you reach a certain status you suddenly become immune to doing things that are stupid and making ugly layouts? I don’t believe that for a minute.
Sarai: Me neither. Honesty is honesty, regardless of who you are.
Becky: I’d like to address something Rachael said about doing things behind peoples backs: Rachael said that in spite of this being a public entry that we were in fact going behind Rhiannon’s back by posting this. Whether or not we emailed this to her it would have been “behind her back” until she found out about it.
Sarai: Sigh.
Becky: Sarai and I will continue going after the crap of the web simply because we can and it might eventually help someone out. There are exceptions to all of our rules, but we decide when and where those exceptions will be made. Take everything we say with a grain of salt and above all if you have something to say then say it. Don’t send in your friends or minions to tell us off and call us names because then we’ll just say things like PUSSY WANT A CRACKA!? And that’s no fun for you.
Sarai: Also, it’s not a good idea to dissect everything said on this website, because if you haven’t noticed, we’re not serious 90% of the time. We have fun. We bend the rules. We do what we want, and fuck the rest.
Becky: I know it’s hard to see sarcasm on the web sometimes, but if something looks too stupid to be true then it probably is. At least if it’s coming from us.
Sarai: Not with us, though! You must be really dense if you don’t think we fuck around. Just read our About.
Becky: Yeah and our rules really aren’t meant to be taken that seriously. We’re not rigid, anal assholes… just assholes.
Sarai: I agree, and also, I’d just like to add while I’m at it, that regardless of how mean we might say things, or how harsh we are, there’s a truth in our message, deep down. Like evangelists.
Becky: If we say your layout is a bright piece of crap then it’s a pretty good bet that your layout is a bright piece of crap. Ask your visitors to take a poll asking that question and see how many people agree with us. Go ahead, if we’re wrong then Sarai will be your slave for a month.
Sarai: That’s a little much don’t you think?
Becky: Okay, okay Sarai won’t be your slave. Brent will be your slave for a month.
Sarai: I like this idea. He’s been lonely, the poor guy.
Becky: Yeah (he likes whips by the way, whips and chains maybe some hot pokers, etc.,) so have at it!
Sarai: Actually, I might try that hot poker idea for myself.
Becky: You are one sick freak.
Sarai: Don’t judge, you animal abuse lurer.
Becky: Oh don’t even go there.
Sarai: You know, Becky, I was willing to let this little e-shindig slide and chalk it up to just A Difference of Opinion, but now I’m just fucking irritated.
Becky: Irritated? Irritated doesn’t even begin to describe my feelings? It’s like I’m Amanda in a Pizza Hut, but they’re all out of pizza!
Nellie has closed her website down and left this lovely little message (insert message here laters).
Sarai: Oh damn. You know, what gets me is that she generalizes so goddamn much. Her ENTIRE web circle of friends is mean?! SERIOUSLY NOW.
Becky: What gets me is that she’s such good friends with Rhiannon, but the fact that Rhiannon does Webmasters Behaving Badly articles seems to make no difference to her.
I left high school four years ago and really shouldn’t have to be dealing with the drama, immaturity and stupidity of people who find joy in spending time criticising others or their work under the excuse that “Itz onlee teh int0rnetz!”.
Sarai: So don’t? Ignore it and move the fuck on?
Becky: I’d like to point out that Nellie threw herself into the drama and left because she got owned and owned hard.
Sarai: It’s a good point, really. And then she deleted her account on Snark, which is really just fucking pathetic. I want to do a Rachael and e-mail her personally to tell her how much she phails, but I don’t care that much.
Becky: Rhiannon may have too? But I’m not sure what’s going on there because Rhiannon hasn’t said anything to us.
None of you stop to think that even if it’s only the internet, the people behind the blogs and message board posts are REAL HUMAN BEINGS with FEELINGS.
Right and Amanda and Colleen have feelings somewhere in the big tub of goo that is their bodies, did Rhiannon ever stop to think about that? The person Nellie defended nearly to the death is just as bad, if not worse, than us!
Sarai: This is what gets me. Rhiannon does the SAME SHIT WE DO. THE. SAME. SHIT. WE. DO. She just doesn’t post on a message board. Or is as free with her words as we are. And I think it’s bullshit. Complete bullshit, and anyone who wants to challenge that statement can go fuck themselves.
Becky: She throws herself into the middle of plenty e-fights and blogs about it until she’s blue in the face. She loves the drama, so long as it isn’t her. I hate hypocrites, I really do. You guys wanna write up something about us? Go ahead, the more intelligent you are the better. In fact we welcome it. No we dare you to do it, go ahead and do it.
Sarai: Seriously, I would love blogs on what you think of us. Just be honest. Don’t pull bullshit from your ass just because you want to appear on the moral high ground. Be honest.
Becky: Because you see if we were to say no, no you can’t do that because we have “fweewings” then we’d be massive hypocrites. Now we might not mind being assholes, bitches, whores, skanks, retards, bipolar and homeschooled, but there is a line people. A LINE! And don’t tell us to hug hippies because that ain’t happening.
Sarai: Becky, you know you have a secret love for hippies, don’t lie. Just not hippie layouts.
Becky: Nuh uh! I hate hippies, I really do. I want to hunt them down, throw them in my basement and do it all in an orange jumpsuit.
Sarai: BB I wouldn’t mind you in an orange jumpsuit.
Erm.
Becky: Yeah it’d be super sexy. STFU!
Sarai: LOL.
Becky: Yeah so shame on you Nellie and possibly Rhiannon. We expected more out of you.
Sarai: At this point, I really don’t give a shit. I just think it’s lame and cowardly.
Becky: It is lame and cowardly, either you fucking use arguments that make sense and have logic backing them up or you don’t argue. If you’re proven wrong, well, then running like a little girl does absolutely nothing to help your case.
Sarai: And with that, I’m going to go buy those pokers.
Becky: I want some whips Sarai.
I love how you have twisted things around to make it look like Nellie agrees with Rhiannon’s Webmasters Behaving Badly articles. Befriending someone and agreeing with absolutely everything someone says are two completely different things.
Also, e-drama for entertainment is one thing and e-drama for personal enjoyment is another.
Think about it.
Alexa · Oct 27, 11:56 PM · · Permalink
Also, e-drama for entertainment is one thing and e-drama for personal enjoyment is another. bq.
Like Hell, it’s the exact same thing. Just look at my last blog entry (Mystical Drama), I posted it for personal enjoyment… and the vast majority of people were also entertained by it.
Hm, if you guys read the whole edit on Nellie’s page, you’d see that she says that she DOES NOT support Rhiannon’s Webmasters Behaving Badly. I don’t either. I think that if someone wants to bitch about how they’re life sucks..and start shit on the space that they pay for, then fine, they can do so. I just think that you two, should set the right example instead of Bq.This is what gets me. Rhiannon does the SAME SHIT WE DO. THE. SAME. SHIT. WE. DO. She just doesn’t post on a message board. Or is as free with her words as we are. And I think it’s bullshit. Complete bullshit, and anyone who wants to challenge that statement can go fuck themselves.
Anyway, good luck. :)
Stephanie · Oct 29, 12:13 AM · · Permalink
^ but that’s just it!
Neither Rhiannon, nor Sarai and Becky have any intention of taking these articles (WBB and IP respectively) seriously. However you all treat this, as if IP had the intention of writing their diploma project on this subject.
At the end of the day, the previous article is just the same as the rest, as far as intention goes. If you’re fine with the rest of their articles you should be fine with this one as well.
^ but that’s just it!
Neither Rhiannon, nor Sarai and Becky have any intention of taking these articles (WBB and IP respectively) seriously. However you all treat this, as if IP had the intention of writing their diploma project on this subject.
At the end of the day, the previous article is just the same as the rest, as far as intention goes. If you’re fine with the rest of their articles you should be fine with this one as well.
Criticizing sites whose owners didn’t even ask for the criticism is still incorrect, hence why there are review sites. I used to have a ‘random review’ section on my website..and well a couple visitors told me, that perhaps I shouldn’t have that feature as some may not like it..so I thought about it, and they are right.
Stephanie · Oct 29, 04:41 AM · · Permalink
… I bet no one would complain if Sarai and Becky would be complimenting all these sites. In that case they are free to do it without permission.
Rhiannon posted her site online. Given the fact that she has her WBB type of posts, she should be highly aware of the fact, that such things can easily happen to her as well. Sure, most of the time, the “rebuttals” are from webmasters whose skills don’t compare to hers so it’s easy to dismiss those as “infantile”.
Unrequested reviews are not nice (I’ll give you that), but they’re not rude either. Just the same as it’s not rude to blog about your opinion on McDonald’s, Spiderman or some perfume (for example).
Incidentally, if the only reason you stopped writing those “random reviews” was because the webmasters in question complained – you lack a back bone.
If it was also due to review quality – i.e. you weren’t satisfied with the quality of the review, then it’s a different matter, of course. However from what you say, this doesn’t seem to be the case.
Incidentally, if the only reason you stopped writing those “random reviews” was because the webmasters in question complained – you lack a back bone.
No, those that were suggesting that “random reviews” should be stopped was not because the webmasters in question complained, but a couple other visitors did. And actually I do have a back bone..and, well given that you don’t know me, so don’t assume that you do? okay, thanks.
Stephanie · Oct 29, 12:28 PM · · Permalink
Ah, yes. Fyi – The fact that you two are saying, and I quote…
She throws herself into the middle of plenty e-fights and blogs about it until she’s blue in the face. She loves the drama, so long as it isn’t her. I hate hypocrites, I really do.
Rhiannon can take criticism, and honestly I think that she could give a shit about this article. And I’m sure she took what you guys said into consideration. Rhiannon is not a hypocrite, I understand where she’s coming from. It’s not the fact that you said your opinion about her site, friends or not. It’s the fact that you two publicly criticized your friend. Yes, strangers have feelings too, everyone does, but why put your friends in the entertainment? That’s just being bitchy right there, even if all that you had to say was constructive. One could even argue that their friends shouldn’t really take it to heart, if their websites were featured on here, and maybe that’s the case. Even so, you two could have at least given Rhiannon a warning, since she was your guy’s friend. That way she would have expected it, and probably would have found it more entertaining.
Stephanie · Oct 29, 12:38 PM · · Permalink
Hm, funny Jem. Too bad my head isn’t in anyone’s ass. Since when it saying your opinion considered to be you head in someone’s ass? Yeah..okay..
Stephanie · Oct 29, 05:37 PM · · Permalink
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My problem with the whole thing seems to be the implication that friends have OMG feelings!! but strangers don’t (or that they don’t matter). Correct me if I’m wrong but I honestly can’t remember Nellie ever once defending one of the very many sites that Rhiannon had made fun of in her WBB articles. So… it’s okay to call someone’s creative effort a “sad sack of shit” if they’re a stranger, but it’s not okay to suggest a different CMS if they’re your friends?
Nellie repeatedly made a big deal that it wasn’t what the CONTENT of what Dicle and Sean said that was the issue, but the fact that they “backstabbed”. I gotta call bullshit on that. If they had instead written on your previous entry “no I totally think Rhiannon’s layout is great for x reason” without having told Rhiannon first, I don’t think she’ll be as upset as she is now. Of course the content of what the two said is important, it’s the very fact that it was negative criticism that seems to be the issue. To me it still comes down to, “if you have something negative to say, you should’ve said it to me privately” and that seems quite hypocritical coming from Rhiannon. Or does this still come down to the whole “friends have feelings but strangers don’t” mentality?
There are a number of people in this “circle” who have openly criticised e-drama making. But Nellie and Rhiannon are not two that I’ve seen done this until now. So it just seems very peculiar that they react so viciously when criticism goes their way.
Belinda · Oct 27, 10:24 PM · · Permalink